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Traveller-digest     Monday, November 29 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1412<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
Re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
Re: Police ranks<BR>
Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
Jump Drive Fuel usage<BR>
Iridium-class Solar Yacht (GTL12) <BR>
Re: Police ranks<BR>
Re: Police ranks<BR>
RE: Traveller-like fiction<BR>
Re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
Re: Police ranks<BR>
Re: Traveller-like fiction<BR>
Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
Bifrost-class Solar Shuttle (GTL9)<BR>
Valkyrie-class Light Fighter (GTL9)<BR>
Goryo-class Medium Fighter (GTL9)<BR>
Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
Re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
Re: Skipping<BR>
Re: Police ranks<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:05:06 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
<BR>
>From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
<BR>
>Actually, Gary, this isn't changing it on the altar<BR>
>of PCness, it's changing it on the altar of <BR>
>grammaticality.  Referring to female graduates with a<BR>
<BR>
>male-gendered pronoun was ungrammatical in classical,<BR>
<BR>
>vulgar, and (so far as I've been told) medieval<BR>
>Latin.  Cicero and Sallust, if they were alive and <BR>
>kicking today, would be major PC-ifiers, by <BR>
>this standard<BR>
<BR>
Kenji, you've been told wrong.  The convention in<BR>
Latin, followed today in other gendered romance<BR>
languages, is that, in general, if a plural inflected<BR>
word (typically noun, pronoun, adjective, or past<BR>
participle) refers to both men and women, the gender<BR>
of that word is masculine.  So Smith can have an<BR>
alumnae association, but Swarthmore must have an<BR>
alumni association.  (Exempli grati:  compare "Jean et<BR>
Marie sont venus" with "Marie et Janette sont<BR>
venues".)<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
__________________________________________________<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:10:07 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
<BR>
>From: Walter Smith <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU><BR>
<BR>
>ObTrav: Friction between different cultures/belief <BR>
>systems is always a useful plot device. Of course, it<BR>
<BR>
>usually presents the players with a situation that <BR>
>must be escaped, as it can't be resolved. Unless<BR>
>there's something godlike about the PC's, they're <BR>
>generally not going to solve in a week what a <BR>
>planetful of intelligent (though biased) people <BR>
>haven't been able to solve in centuries.<BR>
<BR>
I say we nuke the site from orbit.  It's the only way<BR>
to be sure.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
<BR>
__________________________________________________<BR>
Do You Yahoo!?<BR>
Thousands of Stores.  Millions of Products.  All in one place.<BR>
Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:19:07 -0800<BR>
From: "Luther Martin" <tml@ksarul.com><BR>
Subject: Re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
<BR>
Then why do companies love to hire consultants (I was one until about three<BR>
weeks ago.)?<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
 >usually presents the players with a situation that<BR>
 >must be escaped, as it can't be resolved. Unless<BR>
 >there's something godlike about the PC's, they're<BR>
 >generally not going to solve in a week what a<BR>
 >planetful of intelligent (though biased) people<BR>
 >haven't been able to solve in centuries.<BR>
><BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:23:46 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Police ranks<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:32:55 -0500 (EST), Tommy Grav<BR>
<tommy.grav@astro.uio.no> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Jeff Zeitlin wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>>That's actually an adapted list; the complete list would be as<BR>
>>follows:<BR>
<BR>
>>Recruit<BR>
>>Police Officer/Detective<BR>
>>Corporal/Detective Investigator<BR>
>>Sergeant/Detective Sergeant<BR>
>>Lieutenant<BR>
>>Commander<BR>
>>Captain<BR>
>>Deputy Inspector<BR>
>>Inspector<BR>
>>Assistant Chief<BR>
>>Vice Chief<BR>
>>Bureau Chief<BR>
>>Chief of Department<BR>
<BR>
>So where does the rural sheriff and his deputy fit in ?<BR>
<BR>
Different organization entirely.  Sheriff's Departments are<BR>
generally at the county level, and often focus on _code_<BR>
enforcement rather than _law_ enforcement, and deal in civil<BR>
actions.  Thus, the massive ticket-and-tow operations when double<BR>
parking gets out of control in an area are usually under the<BR>
Sheriff's command; so is the service of subpoen or eviction<BR>
notices - even though there will be cops involved with both.<BR>
<BR>
If you feel that it's _absolutely_ necessary to shoehorn<BR>
Quick-Draw McGraw and Dippity Dawg into the rank structure I've<BR>
given above, treat QD as 'Captain' in a department with nothing<BR>
higher; DD becomes 'Officer' or 'Sergeant'.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:19:42 -0700<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
<BR>
At 10:40 PM 11/28/99 EST, you wrote:<BR>
>Actually, Latin is in the process of being changed now on the altar<BR>
of <BR>
>PCness. At my undergrad school they tried to change from<BR>
alumnus/alumna to <BR>
>"Alums", but were shouted down by the cries of everyone who figured<BR>
that <BR>
>would make the university look illiterate. Now I am at a top 25<BR>
school, where <BR>
>they want to look stupid, if it gets them one more minority<BR>
awareness point. <BR>
<BR>
	Bad news ... it's already happened. How many people have you seen<BR>
with bumper stickers or license plate frames that say "I'm a <BigU><BR>
alumni" ...<BR>
<BR>
- -- The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights,<BR>
   shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained<BR>
   by the people.<BR>
   -- Amendment IX, US Constitution<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:37:40 -0600<BR>
From: "Robert and Guadalupe Murphy" <r.g.murphy@worldnet.att.net><BR>
Subject: Jump Drive Fuel usage<BR>
<BR>
IMTU we discovered that the 10%/Jump number led to only the Free Trader (200<BR>
ton), and Fat Trader (400 ton) ships being economically feasible.  We found<BR>
if we changed the percentage to 5%, then the economy of the Traveller<BR>
universe did not depend on speculative trading.  It also made life much more<BR>
interesting.<BR>
<BR>
We also made jumps instantaneous, and your main travel time was into and out<BR>
of a system.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:37:28 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Iridium-class Solar Yacht (GTL12) <BR>
<BR>
With all the talk about solar racing a while back, I decided to build solar<BR>
sails into the next version of GT: Shipyard. Here is the fastest ship I<BR>
could design, just the bridge/systems module and a light sail, held<BR>
together by a super-light hull.<BR>
<BR>
The spreadsheet section is tab-delimited. Hope it comes through OK.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Iridium-class Solar Yacht (GTL12)<BR>
<BR>
Crew: 1 bridge crew<BR>
<BR>
2 USL, DR 100, Cockpit, 2 Light Sails<BR>
<BR>
Statistics: EMass 50.7 tonnes, LMass 50.7 tonnes, Cost: 52.35 MCr, HP: 90,<BR>
Size Mod: +4<BR>
<BR>
Performance: Accel: 5.7 G<BR>
<BR>
Structure	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
2-dton hull (super-light frame, standard materials)	(2.0)	0.0	0.0<BR>
	600	-<BR>
DR 100 bonded superdense armour	-	1.1	0.0	-	-<BR>
CCCI	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
Cockpit	1.0	4.3	2.3	-	1-2<BR>
Engineering	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
2 light sails (290.2 tonnes thrust)	1.0	45.3	50.0	-	-<BR>
Other Modules	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
Totals	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
Empty	2.0	50.7	52.4	600	0<BR>
Fitted out	2.0	50.7	52.4	600	0<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Robert Prior, 1999.  (Designed with GT Shipyard.  Robert Prior, 1999.)<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:55:02 -0700<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Police ranks<BR>
<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:32:55 -0500 (EST), Tommy Grav<BR>
> <tommy.grav@astro.uio.no> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> >So where does the rural sheriff and his deputy fit in ?<BR>
> <BR>
> Different organization entirely.  Sheriff's Departments are<BR>
> generally at the county level, and often focus on _code_<BR>
> enforcement rather than _law_ enforcement, and deal in civil<BR>
> actions.  Thus, the massive ticket-and-tow operations when double<BR>
> parking gets out of control in an area are usually under the<BR>
> Sheriff's command; so is the service of subpoen or eviction<BR>
> notices - even though there will be cops involved with both.<BR>
<BR>
Not where the Sheriff's department is the primary law enforcement<BR>
agency. In New York City the situation is pretty much as you describe,<BR>
even in much of suburban (to NYC) New York it's similar (since NY has a<BR>
large State Police force) I remember how surprised I was once, driving<BR>
along in NYC, to see a Queens County sheriff's car. ("Theres a Sheriff's<BR>
Department here??? I've never heard of them. What do they DO???!!!")<BR>
<BR>
OTOH, Los Angeles County has a very large Sheriffs department, which<BR>
handles the entire range of police duties, from parking violations to<BR>
homicide investigations. They cover the vast areas of the Los Angeles<BR>
Metro area that isn't _in_ Los Angeles proper, though you couldn't<BR>
easily tell it on the ground.<BR>
<BR>
Here the Pima County, the Sheriff's department is about as large as<BR>
Tucson's PD, with all the same responsibilities with a much larger<BR>
geographical area to cover. (FWIW, about 1/2 of the total population of<BR>
Pima county lives outside of the Tucson City area, though mostly still<BR>
in the so called 'metro area' around Tucson, the rest of the county is<BR>
pretty sparsely populated, and a great deal of it is Indian lands, which<BR>
have their own police forces.) There's a LOT of interagency stuff going<BR>
on, and there's also been talk of combining county and city agencies<BR>
into a single metro-area government.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:08:21 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Police ranks<BR>
<BR>
>OTOH, Los Angeles County has a very large Sheriffs department, which<BR>
>handles the entire range of police duties, from parking violations to<BR>
>homicide investigations. They cover the vast areas of the Los Angeles<BR>
>Metro area that isn't _in_ Los Angeles proper, though you couldn't<BR>
>easily tell it on the ground.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Same here in Texas. The City PD is responsible for about 40 K folks, while<BR>
the Sheriff has to cover the entire county and the other 300K folks.<BR>
<BR>
The Constables tend to handle a lot of the civil stuff you mentioned. I<BR>
think each county has several constable districts and they even get neato<BR>
cars too :)<BR>
<BR>
tv<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:12:32 -0800<BR>
From: Jerry Paul Sanders <timmon@primenet.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Traveller-like fiction<BR>
<BR>
At 01:07 PM 11/29/99 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
>Paul, do you know where I can get the last three, now that they are<BR>
>out of print?<BR>
><BR>
>-----Original Message-----<BR>
>From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
>[mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Paul<BR>
>Sanders<BR>
>Sent: 29 November 1999 09:49<BR>
>To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
>Subject: Re: Traveller-like fiction<BR>
><BR>
>Symbol of Terra<BR>
>The Temple of Truth<BR>
>The Return<BR>
<BR>
The Return is still in print. The URL is: <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
http://www.savanti.com/epub/gryphon.html<BR>
<BR>
For the other two, I'd sugest one of the online used SF bookstores - I<BR>
personally prefer Pandoras, their URL is: <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
http://www.mbnet.mb.ca/pandora/<BR>
<BR>
Good luck!<BR>
Paul<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:36:45 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Walter Smith" <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU><BR>
> I think the biggest problem with the historical credibility of the New<BR>
> Testament is the fact that most of the people with enough interest in<BR>
> it to study it's veracity also had a vested interest in proving that<BR>
veracity.<BR>
> Quite simply, most of the people who pay serious attention to the Bible<BR>
> believe that it is accurate (or at least truthful) before they even learn<BR>
> to read, much less learn how to study history. It's pretty hard for a<BR>
> skeptic to give that kind of apparent bias the benefit of the doubt.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
You bring up a very good point.  Being one of those 'bible' people myself, I<BR>
do tend to look at it from the paradigm that is biased towards its accuracy.<BR>
However it has been pointed out to me that VERY biased people did the<BR>
translating.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:40:50 -0500<BR>
From: "Terry Carlino" <carlino@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Police ranks<BR>
<BR>
>On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Jeff Zeitlin wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>>That's actually an adapted list; the complete list would be as<BR>
>>follows:<BR>
>><BR>
>>Recruit<BR>
>>Police Officer/Detective<BR>
>>Corporal/Detective Investigator<BR>
>>Sergeant/Detective Sergeant<BR>
>>Lieutenant<BR>
>>Commander<BR>
>>Captain<BR>
>>Deputy Inspector<BR>
>>Inspector<BR>
>>Assistant Chief<BR>
>>Vice Chief<BR>
>>Bureau Chief<BR>
>>Chief of Department<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
>So where does the rural sheriff and his deputy fit in ?<BR>
<BR>
>--<BR>
>Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
<BR>
The sheriff is an elected position, typically the highest in a county (or<BR>
parish). Small sheriff departments have several deputies who may or may not<BR>
be civil servants. Large sheriff departments, (in Chicago, for example)<BR>
provide court bailiffs, serve court papers, and staff  jails. Large<BR>
departments have deputy ranks  like chief deputy, lieutenant deputy,<BR>
sergeant deputy, etc., sometimes including investigators.<BR>
<BR>
Terry C<BR>
All that is Gold does not glitter<BR>
Not all who travel are lost<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:58:46 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-like fiction<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 5:18 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-like fiction<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> On 29 Nov 99, at 1:22, Charles R Hensley wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> > Whoever mentioned E.C.Tubb's Dumarest Saga want to give the names of<BR>
> > these books.  I started looking for them and found Symbol of Terra,<BR>
> > Dumarest of Terra #30 which only lists 19 books in the series.  How many<BR>
> > are there and what is the order they are to be read in????<BR>
><BR>
> Here's a list of the one's I've got or know about, in order:<BR>
><BR>
> That's all I have, and I haven't seen any around lately, more's the<BR>
> pity.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
<BR>
What kills me is I USED to have the complete series..:(  I think I still<BR>
have 1 or 2.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:53:35 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
<BR>
>From: GaryBartz@aol.com <GaryBartz@aol.com><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>>Actually, Latin is in the process of being changed now on the altar of<BR>
><BR>
>>PCness. At my undergrad school they tried to change from<BR>
>>alumnus/alumna to "Alums", but were shouted down by the cries of<BR>
>>everyone who figured that would make the university look illiterate.<BR>
><BR>
>Darn. I thought you'd have a better story than this one... something along<BR>
>the lines of "Now I have to call salesmen salespeople" or something like<BR>
>that. No, you're not seeing a pretty much dead and dusty language being<BR>
>changed, you're seeing borrowed english words being changed, most likely for<BR>
>brevity and simplicity. Since lots of folks already go around shortening the<BR>
>word to "alum" anyway, it's not a real big deal.<BR>
<BR>
Alum makes a pretty good mordant, especially for goldenrod.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:53:43 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Bifrost-class Solar Shuttle (GTL9)<BR>
<BR>
I was fiddling around, trying to get decent acceleration for a GTL9 ship,<BR>
whne I realized that the GURPS Space light sails might work. Plugging the<BR>
numbers in (and assuming no silly mistakes on my part), I came up with a<BR>
relatively fast shuttle for short-haul trips.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Bifrost-class Solar Shuttle (GTL9)<BR>
<BR>
Crew: 1 bridge crew, 1 steward<BR>
<BR>
Passengers: 48 high passengers<BR>
<BR>
10 USL, DR 100, Cockpit, 1 Light Sail, 4 Passenger Couches, 4.5 Cargo<BR>
<BR>
Statistics: EMass 43.4 tonnes, LMass 63.8 tonnes, Cost: 28.5 MCr, HP:<BR>
2,631, Size Mod: +6<BR>
<BR>
Performance: Accel: 2.3 G (3.3 G empty, 1.0 G overloaded)<BR>
<BR>
Structure	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
10-dton hull (medium frame, standard materials)	(10.0)	2.4	0.1<BR>
	1,754	-<BR>
DR 100 durasteel armour	-	11.9	0.2	-	-<BR>
CCCI	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
Cockpit	1.0	4.4	2.5	-	1-2<BR>
Engineering	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
1 light sail (145.1 tonnes thrust)	0.5	22.7	25.0	-	-<BR>
Other Modules	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
4 passenger couches	4.0	2.0	0.3	-	1<BR>
4.5-dton cargo hold	4.5	-	-	-	-<BR>
Cargo	(4.5)	20.4	-	-	-<BR>
Totals	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
Empty	10.0	43.4	28.0	1,754	0<BR>
Fitted out	10.0	63.8	28.0	1,754	0<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Robert Prior, 1999.  (Designed with GT Shipyard.  Robert Prior, 1999.)<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:56:22 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Valkyrie-class Light Fighter (GTL9)<BR>
<BR>
A while back we were trying to come up with a maneuverable fighter for GTL9<BR>
worlds. For those who were shocked at my canon-busting Orion vehicles, I<BR>
present this little baby. Light, maneuverable, and fairly cheap, she can<BR>
outrun most other GTL9 ships -- as long as she's near a star!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Valkyrie-class Light Fighter (GTL9)<BR>
<BR>
Crew: 1 bridge crew, 1 gunner<BR>
<BR>
3 USL, DR 100, 1 Triple 101 MJ Laser Turret, Basic Stealth, Basic Emission<BR>
Cloaking, Hardened Cockpit, 1 Light Sail<BR>
<BR>
Weapon	Type	Acc	Damage	1/2D Rng	Max Rng	RoF<BR>
101 MJ Rainbow Laser	Imp	31	8d x 20	36,864 km	69,120 km<BR>
	1/60<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Statistics: EMass 64.4 tonnes, LMass 64.4 tonnes, Cost: 32.37 MCr, HP:<BR>
1,179, Size Mod: +5<BR>
<BR>
Performance: Accel: 2.3 G<BR>
<BR>
Structure	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
3-dton hull (medium frame, standard materials)	(3.0)	1.1	0.0	786<BR>
	-<BR>
1 turret (DR 100)	1.0	6.6	0.1	800	-<BR>
DR 100 durasteel armour	-	5.3	0.1	-	-<BR>
Basic stealth	-	0.4	0.1	-	-<BR>
Basic emission cloaking	-	0.4	0.1	-	-<BR>
CCCI	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
Cockpit with hardened controls	1.0	4.6	2.7	-	1-2<BR>
Engineering	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
1 light sail (145.1 tonnes thrust)	0.5	22.7	25.0	-	-<BR>
Weaponry	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
1 triple 101 MJ laser turret	(3.0)	23.5	4.3	-	1-1<BR>
Other Modules	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
Empty space	0.5	-	-	-	-<BR>
Totals	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
Empty	3.0	64.4	32.4	1,586	0<BR>
Fitted out	3.0	64.4	32.4	1,586	0<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Robert Prior, 1999.  (Designed with GT Shipyard.  Robert Prior, 1999.)<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:00:12 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Goryo-class Medium Fighter (GTL9)<BR>
<BR>
Not quite as maneuverable as the Valkyrie, a lot more expensive, but a lot<BR>
better armoured as well, the Goryo can take on even fair-sized ships.<BR>
<BR>
Goryo-class Medium Fighter (GTL9)<BR>
<BR>
Crew: 1 bridge crew, 1 gunner<BR>
<BR>
4 USL, DR 2000, 1 Single 303 MJ Laser Turret, Basic Stealth, Basic Emission<BR>
Cloaking, Hardened Cockpit, 3 Light Sails<BR>
<BR>
Weapon	Type	Acc	Damage	1/2D Rng	Max Rng	RoF<BR>
303 MJ Rainbow Laser	Imp	33	5d x 55	12,800 km	24,000 km<BR>
	1/60<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Statistics: EMass 221.8 tonnes, LMass 221.8 tonnes, Cost: 87.66 MCr, HP:<BR>
1,428, Size Mod: +5<BR>
<BR>
Performance: Accel: 2.0 G<BR>
<BR>
Structure	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
4-dton hull (medium frame, standard materials)	(4.0)	1.3	0.0	952<BR>
	-<BR>
1 turret (DR 1000)	1.0	37.4	1.6	800	-<BR>
DR 2000 crystaliron armour	-	86.4	3.8	-	-<BR>
Basic stealth	-	0.4	0.1	-	-<BR>
Basic emission cloaking	-	0.4	0.1	-	-<BR>
CCCI	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
Cockpit with hardened controls	1.0	4.6	2.7	-	1-2<BR>
Engineering	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
3 light sails (435.4 tonnes thrust)	1.5	68.0	75.0	-	-<BR>
Weaponry	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
1 single 303 MJ heavy laser turret	(3.0)	23.3	4.3	-	1-1<BR>
Other Modules	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
Empty space	0.5	-	-	-	-<BR>
Totals	Spaces	Mass	Cost	Area	Crew<BR>
Empty	4.0	221.8	87.7	1,752	0<BR>
Fitted out	4.0	221.8	87.7	1,752	0<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Robert Prior, 1999.  (Designed with GT Shipyard.  Robert Prior, 1999.)<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:36:40 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Rule of man coin<BR>
<BR>
"David J. Golden" wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
<<snip discussion of alumnus/alumna>><BR>
> <BR>
>         Bad news ... it's already happened. How many people have you seen<BR>
> with bumper stickers or license plate frames that say "I'm a <BigU><BR>
> alumni" ...<BR>
<BR>
Hey, for Miskatonic University, that could very well be grammatically<BR>
correct.... ;-)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:41:25 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: early christian writings and roman rumors<BR>
<BR>
From: Walter Smith <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>I think the biggest problem with the historical credibility of the New<BR>
>Testament is the fact that most of the people with enough interest in<BR>
>it to study it's veracity also had a vested interest in proving that<BR>
veracity.<BR>
>Quite simply, most of the people who pay serious attention to the Bible<BR>
>believe that it is accurate (or at least truthful) before they even learn<BR>
>to read, much less learn how to study history. It's pretty hard for a<BR>
>skeptic to give that kind of apparent bias the benefit of the doubt.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Not entirely true. In point of fact, for about the last two centuries<BR>
theologians have been all over the map concerning whether or not the Bible<BR>
is accurate or truthful. The assumption that you're making is inaccurate. To<BR>
say that over the course of 200 years everyone who's had an interest in<BR>
studying the Bible was brainwashed before they got there is something of a<BR>
slander.<BR>
<BR>
What *has* happened is some fantastic reading, if you're into that sort of<BR>
thing. In the late 17th (maybe early 18th) century a (now) little-known<BR>
theologian named Reimarus stood the theological community on its ear when he<BR>
presented his commentary on the passage of the Israelites through the Red<BR>
Sea. The other shoe dropped when Spinoza introduced a naturalist<BR>
interepretation of the miraculous. So, then, after decades of theological<BR>
skirmishes, Strauss pushed the mythical interpretation... and so on and so<BR>
on to the modern day.<BR>
<BR>
Keep in mind that Jason said the Bible is *authentic*, not that it's an<BR>
*accurate history*. There's a *very* important distinction there.<BR>
Considering the fact that, nowadays, the majority of Biblical scholars don't<BR>
actually believe it's an accurate history. There are some who feel that<BR>
certain parts of it are accurate. There are also those who, although they<BR>
believe that much of it portrays actual events, believe that those events<BR>
were of a wholly rational nature.<BR>
<BR>
Okay. Sorry 'bout the rant there.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:07:40 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Skipping<BR>
<BR>
- --- Clay <arioch@theriver.com> wrote:<BR>
> >Remember, there's *no* way to determine *in<BR>
> >advance* which branch a ship will be at several<BR>
> months from now.<BR>
> >So they *all* have to be able to deal with it. <BR>
> <BR>
> I would think it would be very easy for a bank to<BR>
> determine which branch<BR>
> a ship will be making its' payment at.  When the<BR>
> loan is first applied<BR>
> for the bank would want an exact business plan &<BR>
> itinerary on how the<BR>
> ship will be used to make a profit.  They would<BR>
> determine that the ship<BR>
> would have to stop off at a specific branch to make<BR>
> payments every so<BR>
> many months.  If the ship didn't show, it would<BR>
> automatically be<BR>
> reported to the authorities and a repo list.  A bank<BR>
> wouldn't approve a<BR>
> loan on a wide, far reaching, or risky route.<BR>
> That way the key system of encryption would be very<BR>
> useful without<BR>
> giving all branches all of the keys.<BR>
> <BR>
> That is the way it works IMTU anyway.<BR>
> <BR>
> Clay<BR>
> <BR>
Kyle replies:<BR>
A bunch of PCs with a "exact business plan and<BR>
itenary"? What kind of adventures are you running????<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
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Melbourne<BR>
Australia<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:27:38 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: Police ranks<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Clay asked:<BR>
>(7) Ranks: If a player has ever been assigned to<BR>
>Detective/Homicide, Rank 1 should be Detective, otherwise Police<BR>
>Officer.<BR>
><BR>
>Rank 1 - Detective/Police Officer<BR>
>Rank 2 - Sergeant<BR>
>Rank 3 - Lieutenant<BR>
>Rank 4 - Captain<BR>
>Rank 5 - Inspector<BR>
>Rank 6 - Chief<BR>
>- -------------------------------------------<BR>
>Is that a list of all the police ranks or did you just adapt it to<BR>
>Traveller?<BR>
>Do the police differentiate between enlisted and officers as the<BR>
>military does?<BR>
<BR>
For a different take on the Police, see my version of Police for MegaTraveller.<BR>
<BR>
Go to my website, then ==> Tavonni Repair Bays ==> Police Characters for<BR>
MegaTraveller.<BR>
<BR>
This is actually based on the UK model portrayed in "The Bill". For those who<BR>
want a US-based version, use Jeff's ranks. For example, there is no "Lieutenant"<BR>
or "Captain" in the UK system, and the US uses "Chief of Police" rather than<BR>
"Commissioner of Police", since there is no monarch to receive a commission<BR>
from.<BR>
<BR>
Naturally, since local law enforcement _by definition_ is local, there is no<BR>
problem for one world using the US notation, another using the UK notation,<BR>
another using something completely different (eg. "commisars" or whatever). You<BR>
can even split the ranks more, and have a "Customs Branch" ranking system with<BR>
various "Customs Officers", or a "Riot Brigade" that uses a more military<BR>
ranking system (good ideas for a big force on a Hi Pop Hi Law world). Jeff's<BR>
original article in 1995 even skipped ranks if the force was small.<BR>
<BR>
The point about planetary police is that they ARE different. With subsector<BR>
police, I cheated a little to reduce the number of ranks. You can expand them<BR>
again to allow detectives at the subsector level, if you want. After all, It's<BR>
Your Traveller Universe.<BR>
<BR>
Oh, and the query about "officer" and "enlisted" is a hard one. After all, every<BR>
policeman is a "police officer". Therefore, I use the terms "officer" and<BR>
"commissioned officer", which at first glance seems a tautology, but remember<BR>
that the military has "non-commissioned officers" as well.<BR>
<BR>
Planetary Police                            Subsector Police<BR>
Rank Officer                                Rank Officer<BR>
E1   Probationer                            E1   Trainee<BR>
E2   Constable/Detective Constable          E2   Constable<BR>
E3   Senior Constable/Snr Det Constable     E3   Senior Constable<BR>
E4   Sergeant/Detective Sergeant            E4   Sergeant<BR>
E5   Senior Sergeant/Snr Det Sergeant       E5   Senior Sergeant<BR>
E6   Station Sergeant/Station Det Sergeant  E6   Station Sergeant<BR>
E7   Area Sergeant/Area Det Sergeant        E7   Area Sergeant<BR>
<BR>
Rank Commissioned Officer                   Rank Commissioned Officer<BR>
O1   Deputy Inspector/Deputy Det Inspector  O1   Deputy Inspector<BR>
O2   Inspector/Detective Inspector          O2   Inspector<BR>
O3   Chief Inspector/Chief Det Inspector    O3   Chief Inspector<BR>
O4   Superintendent                         O4   Station Chief<BR>
O5   Chief Superintendent                   O5   Area Chief<BR>
O6   Deputy Commissioner                    O6   Bureau Chief<BR>
O7   Commissioner of Police                 O7   Subsector Chief<BR>
<BR>
BTW, one of my sources was "Law Enforcer Characters", a TML article by none<BR>
other than Jeff Zeitlin back in 1995. To be fair, I used it as a reality check<BR>
on the skills I was giving out, rather than for the ranks. Also, I don't really<BR>
know if the UK has a "Station Sergeant" and "Area Sergeant" or whether some<BR>
sergeants are just more senior than others (eg. Bob from "The Bill"). However,<BR>
they seemed convenient titles to allow me to create the E6 and E7 ranks.<BR>
<BR>
For the record, I think that the "Law in the Imperium" article from Challenge<BR>
could be said to be based on SOTE and the d'Alemberts (note that IRIS hearkens<BR>
back here as well!). I agree with a previous poster who said that one MoJ<BR>
officer per 100,000 people was too many. This is closer to the SOTE structure,<BR>
where the Empire has closer controls over its member worlds than (IMO) the<BR>
canonical Imperium has.<BR>
<BR>
Having said that, however, feel free to adopt the article for YTU, since it is<BR>
by no means an unreasonable approach. It goes back to your view of your<BR>
Imperium, as the Trav Geek Code recognises. The Imperium only has to be slightly<BR>
more "hands-on" for an organisation like SOTE (or IRIS  ;-) to exist.<BR>
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David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson        Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)<BR>
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"<BR>
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of the author and do not necessarily represent, in whole or in part, the<BR>
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